tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post8833669676557327569..comments2023-09-08T00:47:50.511-07:00Comments on Naked Reflections: A Loving God?Stevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-7682883658523415512008-07-31T17:46:00.000-07:002008-07-31T17:46:00.000-07:00Atheists don't have any problem with people practi...Atheists don't have any problem with people practicing their religion so long as it does not infringe on their own rights.<BR/><BR/>Look at the Christian Conservatives. They want to return prayer to schools and they get mad that non-Christians don't want to say "under God" in the Pledge. Most people don't even understand what the Pledge is. Why should I pledge allegiance to a god I don't believe in? Doesn't that completely go against the purpose of pledging? That is like a Muslim swearing on a Bible in court.<BR/><BR/>People that want religion in government miss the "good old days". Thats back when blacks got lynched and women were only good at ironing and pumping out babies.<BR/><BR/>Shirley (and I'm guessing her husband), this is why we don't like religion. Well its not really even that we don't like it, we just don't want it forced upon us. This country was NOT "founded on christianity" as so many people like to say. Most of the founding fathers were deists, not devout Christians. Perhaps if a group were to force all Christians to follow the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster they would understand how atheists feel. I know that religion makes more sense than most.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Nagarjuna, for your comments on gagbad, that guy is an incoherent lunatic that inspires his cult following by stringing together lots of big words into vague messages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-26109109059593288242008-07-30T13:33:00.000-07:002008-07-30T13:33:00.000-07:00Like Dr. Carl Sagan I am both a scientist and an a...Like Dr. Carl Sagan I am both a scientist and an agnostic. There is no proof either way to support the existence or non-existence of a God. I am allways amazed at the vitriol that is expended by atheists at those of faith. Why bother? It will not effect a true believer and when taken to the extreme I am reminded of the religious fanatics we all despise.<BR/>It has absolutely no effect other than to entrench the fanatics on both sides which invariably leads to violence. This is utter stupidity. <BR/>Why are atheists so frightened or disgusted by those who choose to follow a religion? The vast majority are productive members of society who cause no harm to others(my wife is Wiccan hence the use of the term) and carry on with their lives. Many of them perform charitable (in other words they donate their own money...not relying on the taxpayers to do it for them... or their time) deeds on a weekly basis(something the atheist community does not I might add) and the rest at least on a yearly basis. Why in the world would any group choose to vent their spleen on someone like that? Go after the murderers, or the animal abusers, or the child abusers, or anyone who is doing harm.....but no they instead choose to waste their time and many tax dollars in court going after someone who chooses to believe in a God. What the heck for?<BR/><BR/>As an aside I allways like comparing the currently held scientific theory(or belief if you prefer) on the creation of the universe by the leading cosmologist in the world. <BR/><BR/>Briefly cosmologists theorise that the universe started from a singularity about the size of a Neutron(one half of the size of a Hydrogen Atom nucleus) and in a massive explosion between 12 an 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe expanded from that singularity and spread out in a flat universe billions of light years across. The Christian theory(or belief if you prefer) starts... <BR/><BR/>In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. <BR/>And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.<BR/>One version is that which I am most familiar with, the other was written thousands of years ago by a primitive non-scientific people and yet...they sound pretty similar to my ear.<BR/><BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-36942106538199819832008-07-15T15:53:00.000-07:002008-07-15T15:53:00.000-07:00Hi again,If you'd like, we can totally talk about ...Hi again,<BR/><BR/>If you'd like, we can totally talk about this via e-mail. :-)<BR/><BR/>I actually had a spiritual awakening while dealing with sexual abuse, so I've grappled with the question of good vs. evil a lot. But I'm speaking from an Aurobindoan perspective which I hope won't be too esoteric for you (well my gf is an atheist, so I assume if she can tolerate my metaphysics, you should be able to manage too ;-) ).<BR/><BR/>Best regards,<BR/>Ned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-35079886820616464472008-07-15T11:51:00.000-07:002008-07-15T11:51:00.000-07:00Ned--Thank you for the comments, the links, and th...Ned--<BR/>Thank you for the comments, the links, and the encouragement. I'm very interested in reading more about monotheistic, pantheistic, and panentheistic efforts to address "the problem of evil." I've always found it enormously difficult to reconcile the notion of any kind of divine goodness with the ubiquitous presence of evil and suffering.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-39789296630573165502008-07-15T07:54:00.000-07:002008-07-15T07:54:00.000-07:00Also, let me just drop a few links to Christian fr...Also, let me just drop a few links to Christian friends who I think are swell folks and would be really happy to dialogue with you:<BR/><BR/>The Search for Integrity<BR/>http://godnix.wordpress.com/<BR/><BR/>Anamchara: The Website of Unknowing<BR/>http://anamchara.com/<BR/><BR/>Blog of the Grateful Bear<BR/>http://wildfaith.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-45607089777111872962008-07-15T07:35:00.000-07:002008-07-15T07:35:00.000-07:00Hi Nagarjuna,You might want to check out Sri Aurob...Hi Nagarjuna,<BR/><BR/>You might want to check out Sri Aurobindo's solution to the problem of evil. Anti-Matters, a journal run by Ulrich Mohrhoff from the Sri Aurobindo Ashram, published a series of articles on this:<BR/>http://anti-matters.org/ojs/index.php/antimatters/issue/view/3/showToc<BR/><BR/>(Look for the articles starting from "Is God good?")<BR/><BR/>Jacob Boehme, a Christian mystic, also has similar ideas, and so does the Sufi mystic Ibn al-Arabi.<BR/><BR/>And what a foolish interpretation of Islam Gagdad has. I grew up in a Muslim country as a Muslim, even though I now follow Sri Aurobindo and the Mother. I have had my issues with Islam, but certainly every single organized religion, including Judaism and Christianity, has its fair share of foolishness and has committed atrocities in the past. Islam is a younger religion and just happens to be at the forefront right now (and the timing is really bad, because now we have the Internet and mass media, so every fool gets to weigh in with their prejudices and paranoia). Again: I don't like exoteric Islam, but I don't like any exoteric religion, for that matter.<BR/><BR/>Please don't let a pretentious intellectual like Gagdad Bob (and Co.) turn you off legitimate theistic philosophies. They are worth looking into even if you prefer a non-theistic path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-52154992324117470722008-07-13T11:27:00.000-07:002008-07-13T11:27:00.000-07:00Shirley--I don't know that anyone HAS answered the...Shirley--<BR/>I don't know that anyone HAS answered the questions I posed. For instance, WHERE is the answer to my question of how anyone can reasonably say that the God of the Christian Bible is loving? Yet, you suggest that I can and should somehow simply abandon these unanswered questions and embrace faith in the Christian God even though you yourself, as a self-professed Wiccan, apparently have not.<BR/><BR/>You may be inclined to see this as a "negative reaction" to your comment." But what do you mean by a "negative reaction"? One which disagrees with what you say or simply questions it? <BR/><BR/>I appreciate the time you've spent here and the effort you've made to communicate with me. I think part of your motivation has been to help me grow in wisdom and happiness. But perhaps you need to grow more in your own wisdom and happiness and spend more time observing your own reactions and getting out of your own egoic way before you can be very helpful to me or anyone else.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-54515849951887805332008-07-13T10:11:00.000-07:002008-07-13T10:11:00.000-07:00Every question you pose has been answered by someo...Every question you pose has been answered by someone visiting your blog at one time or another but you refuse to listen. The bullets of truth continue to ricochet off your head because you wish to conform reality to what you believe it to be rather than conforming yourself to it.<BR/>You will have to find a way to open yourself to ideas that, at this point, you are completely opposed to and see where they lead if you wish to have any growth beyond where you are now. What you have been doing obviously hasn't been working.<BR/>This is the reason why I believe Bob has called you an idiot blogger. You continually criticize him for his lack of compassion, etc. but he is probably one of the most compassionate people you have ever encountered. Particularly in regards to you.<BR/>I'm afraid that you are one of the lost who will never find the way because of your fantastically huge ego which you feel doesn't exist. The only entity which can show it to you and save you from it is the Christian God which will intervene in your affairs if you only earnestly ask. You, by your ignorance and misunderstanding, have effectively precluded yourself from that option.<BR/>There is really nothing any mortal person can say in this instance. People can talk until they are blue in the face to you and all you do is focus a penlight on the issue that you yourself don't like. <BR/>You are not at this time willing to be completely transformed into the person that you highlighted today from Bob's blog.<BR/>You're are unwilling to give up the small man that your ego defends with everything in its power, to gain the larger person that you and everyone else is capable of being. Your image of who you need to be won't let that happen.<BR/>And now, I'll take my leave, but before I do, here is one last hint, WATCH your negative reaction to what I just said. Sit with it and WATCH it. That, will be a start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-71889279885642339592008-07-12T11:07:00.000-07:002008-07-12T11:07:00.000-07:00Shirley--Are you saying that Gagdad does NOT aspir...Shirley--<BR/>Are you saying that Gagdad does NOT aspire to holiness--i.e., harmonization of one's life and being with God? And whether you do or not, do you believe that Bob's disparaging comments are compatible with holiness?<BR/><BR/>"The truth hurts"? What "truth" is that?<BR/><BR/>Do you think I'm trying merely to "keep up appearances" that I'm a good person, or that I'm actually trying to be one? And if you think I'm doing something wrong, what do you think I should be doing instead?<BR/><BR/>How do my emotions rule my life?<BR/><BR/>You are the one who said he's given me "sound spiritual advice." Again, can you cite any examples?<BR/><BR/>Finally, can you tell me what you "get" and "dig" about Jesus?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-17432100144838850652008-07-12T10:41:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:41:00.000-07:00"You say you believe that Gagdad has given me some..."You say you believe that Gagdad has given me some "sound spiritual advice." Could you cite any examples, particularly of any such advice that I've belittled or rejected?"<BR/><BR/>You're going to tell me that you've taken nothing from what Bob has offered? Do you own soul searching spiritual homework, get over your stubbornness and tell ME what he has given you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-47351117562729420912008-07-12T10:37:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:37:00.000-07:00"...would you care to share with me what you 'get'..."...would you care to share with me what you 'get' and 'dig' about him?"<BR/><BR/>Jesus is just all right with me.<BR/>Now, pass me that Doobie. :*)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-39208014199379851572008-07-12T10:35:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:35:00.000-07:00....should make comments of that kind, even if the.......should make comments of that kind, even if they were true or even if, true or not, he believed them, or is basic human decency, not to mention the committed pursuit of a spiritual path, incompatible with this sort of thing?<BR/><BR/>If he honestly believes them to be true and has no malice in expressing them then have at it. As they say, the truth hurts. He works from a more logical non-emotional principle than you and is therefore able to cleave the illusion and get to the seed of truth.<BR/>Your emotions rule your life and you are a slave to them in trying to keep up appearances that you are a good person. Same thing with fairhope.<BR/>And I'm not buying the notion that it doesn't just bother the hell out of you that he said that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-73995556106627905872008-07-12T10:29:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:29:00.000-07:00Second, do you believe that a clinical psychologis...Second, do you believe that a clinical psychologist who aspires to holiness, as Gagdad has often stated in various ways....<BR/><BR/>I believe that you are assigning your own aspirations to Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-64418793810631172442008-07-12T10:27:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:27:00.000-07:00In other words, do you agree with him that I'm an ...In other words, do you agree with him that I'm an "idiot"? <BR/><BR/>At times, yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-41983810832986302562008-07-12T10:09:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:09:00.000-07:00Shirley--Does it bother me that Gagdad calls me an...Shirley--<BR/>Does it bother me that Gagdad calls me an "idiot blogger"? No. But the issue here is not how I feel about it emotionally, but whether you believe that in calling me this, he's following "the truth wherever it leads" and that this is invariably a good thing. In other words, do you agree with him that I'm an "idiot"? Second, do you believe that a clinical psychologist who aspires to holiness, as Gagdad has often stated in various ways that he does, should make comments of that kind, even if they were true or even if, true or not, he believed them, or is basic human decency, not to mention the committed pursuit of a spiritual path, incompatible with this sort of thing? <BR/><BR/>You say you believe that Gagdad has given me some "sound spiritual advice." Could you cite any examples, particularly of any such advice that I've belittled or rejected?<BR/><BR/>Finally, as a "Wiccan who 'gets' and actually digs Jesus," would you care to share with me what you 'get' and 'dig' about him? In other words, do you believe that Jesus was and is who and what Christians believe he was and is? If so, why aren't you Christian rather than Wiccan? And if not, WHAT do you "get" and "dig" about Jesus? And to return to the gist of my original post, how is the Christian God, of which Jesus was and is an alleged manifestation, a "God of love"? I don't see it, and I was hoping that someone could it explain it to me. Can YOU?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-86377039729676289222008-07-11T23:45:00.000-07:002008-07-11T23:45:00.000-07:00And BTW, I'm not a Christian woman as you alluded ...And BTW, I'm not a Christian woman as you alluded to earlier, I'm a Wiccan who "gets" and actually digs Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-33653389812429424682008-07-11T23:21:00.000-07:002008-07-11T23:21:00.000-07:00Does it bother you that he calls you that? I don'...Does it bother you that he calls you that? I don't think he used the term as an off the cuff comment without actually meaning it. I don't recall saying I considered it justified or that he ever said that he aspires to holiness. I believe that he is content to follow truth wherever it leads.<BR/>Perhaps you could ask him directly why he referenced you in that way.<BR/>I do believe that through the years he has given you some sound spiritual advise and if you were honest with yourself, I think you would have to agree.<BR/>You were quite taken with him in the beginning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-24095088175398733492008-07-11T12:56:00.000-07:002008-07-11T12:56:00.000-07:00I don't care about Jesse Jackson's comment. Do yo...I don't care about Jesse Jackson's comment. Do you? If so, why? If not, why do you ask what I think about it?<BR/><BR/>Returning to an earlier line of discussion, what SOUND "spiritual help and advice" do you think Gagdad has given me, and why do you think he's justified, as one who aspires to holiness, to refer to me as an "idiot blogger"?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-11291386831746229952008-07-11T01:23:00.000-07:002008-07-11T01:23:00.000-07:00What do you think of Jesse Jackson's comments?Do y...What do you think of Jesse Jackson's comments?<BR/>Do you think it was a set up by Fox or do you think maybe Obama put him up to it to garner support from those opposed to Jackson.<BR/>His career is basically over so a little green from Obama might be just what he needs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-39419323992273172892008-07-10T11:56:00.000-07:002008-07-10T11:56:00.000-07:00I haven't posted any comments on Bob's site for a ...I haven't posted any comments on Bob's site for a long time.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-85173340071420799522008-07-10T11:42:00.000-07:002008-07-10T11:42:00.000-07:00What's true? That the only options for someone wh...What's true? That the only options for someone who aspires to holiness are "politically correct" wimpiness and insulting derisiveness toward those with whom he disagrees? That I'm an "idiot"? That the Christian God is loving or that Christians are "love-centered"?<BR/><BR/>With all due respect, saying you answered my question about Rev. Wright doesn't make it so. I asked what Wright said in those videos that establishes that he's any more "hate-centered" than, say, Gagdad Bob. Replying that it's "self-evident" isn't a substantive answer. It's an evasion. What has Wright said or done that demonstrates that he is more about hate than he is about love?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-87366865495297250932008-07-10T11:34:00.000-07:002008-07-10T11:34:00.000-07:00Why don't you have the balls to uncloak when you c...Why don't you have the balls to uncloak when you comment over at Bob's site and have the courage to defend your position instead of using the anonymous option? You'd be amazed at what it will do to your spiritual life when you are held accountable for what you say. Your posts such as the one today are as transparent as a crystal blue sky. <BR/>You could at least put your old B.S. namaste closure at the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-81929070801060132182008-07-10T10:15:00.000-07:002008-07-10T10:15:00.000-07:00Why does a "man of God" in your estimation have to...Why does a "man of God" in your estimation have to go around being a P.C. wimp? Bob has given you more spiritual help and advice than was ever warranted. If you are ever able to move beyond your current understanding of truth, you may be able to see that it's indeed true. <BR/><BR/><BR/>And I already answered your question about Obama and Wright. It is self evident to an objective observer who has no fantasy hopes and sees the world for what it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-31623423943037955382008-07-10T08:57:00.000-07:002008-07-10T08:57:00.000-07:00ํำYes, it would seem that Bob DID call me that. S...ํำYes, it would seem that Bob DID call me that. Spoken like a "man of God," wouldn't you say? :-)<BR/><BR/>As for Reverend Wright, I have seen some of his videos. I also saw his interview with Bill Moyers, and I saw him give a speech a while back. Again, I don't consider him to be particularly "hate-centered." Ethnocentric? Yes. Angry at times toward what he perceives as injustice? Yes? But "hate-centered"? No. If you want to see someone who's hate-centered, check out Fred Phelps. Even Gagdad seems to have more hate in him than Rev. Wright. If you disagree, could you tell me what Wright has said that you find "hateful"? As for Obama, I don't see him as being "hate-centered" either. Do you?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02549770321948541384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10032287.post-36305121524329310842008-07-09T22:47:00.000-07:002008-07-09T22:47:00.000-07:00And you'd better be nice to me as I seem to be the...And you'd better be nice to me as I seem to be the only one left here. ;*)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com